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“Nobody cares if women have pleasure or not”

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This year we are going to see two very, very different versions of emma thompson. One on Netflix and one at the movies. It will be Miss Tronchatoro in the musical version of Matilda, close to Christmas. And before, in Good Luck, Leo Grande, to a retiree who has never had an orgasm.

Emma plays Nancy, a retired school teacher and widow. She never, with her husband, could find out what gives her pleasure in bed. And, although it is difficult for her to make her decision, she is willing to have the best sex.

Thompson spoke bluntly about sexuality with Clarín.  Photos BF Paris

Thompson spoke bluntly about sexuality with Clarín. Photos BF Paris

How? Hiring a taxi boy, the Big Leo from the title of the film by Australian Sophie Hyde, who is played by Daryl McCormack (Isaiah Jesus in Peaky Blinders), an actor 33 years younger. Well, as is his character in the film that premieres this Thursday, in theaters, in Argentina.

Unrecognizable, like Miss Tronchatoro in the upcoming "Matilda."  Netflix Photo

Unrecognizable, like Miss Tronchatoro in the upcoming “Matilda.” Netflix Photo

Thompson has won two Oscars, one as a leading actress, for Howard’s Mansion, opposite Anthony Hopkins. And another of hers for her script adapted from Sense and Sensibility, by Jane Austen. Hardly her name is not in the next awards season, and she reaches a new Oscar nomination.

Tremendously kind on the other side of the Zoom screen, the 63-year-old actress -Kenneth Branagh was her first husband, she is currently married to another actor, Greg Wise, seven years her junior) spoke with Clarín about female sexuality in the cinema, and in life.

You will notice how honestly she speaks, and how direct she is in expressing her thoughts.

His character never had an orgasm.  She is a retired widow who hires a taxi boy to have sex.

His character never had an orgasm. She is a retired widow who hires a taxi boy to have sex.

-My first question is if you have any similarity with Nancy, your character.

-Mmm… OK, well, she’s an old English lady. That is all. Of course I recognize her, because I know many teachers. But I’m in London and, as Nancy says, you know, the girls of my generation who grew up in London had a very different perspective on the world. In general, there was more access to different ways of thinking.

Perhaps it was much easier to get a little caught up in the sectoral norms of what is known as feminine behavior. And I was never, ever that person. But there is something that I am, I am a woman. I am English, I am old. Also, I like the words. So from that point of view, yes.

Emma has already won two Academy Awards.  And it looks like she's going for the third.

Emma has already won two Academy Awards. And it looks like she’s going for the third.

And yes, I probably share a bit of snobbery: if someone can use a really clever word, I think it must be brilliant. But of course I could be completely wrong. I could be a complete idiot.

-My favorite line in the film is the one that says that “sexual satisfaction makes me feel invincible.”

-Well, I don’t know if you have realized this clearly, but nobody is really interested in whether women have pleasure or not. Nobody cares. So whether you care about having pleasure or not, you have to take it, so to speak, into your own hands. And that’s all there is to it. You know, the world is not built to offer or, indeed, ask what female pleasure could be.

Emma Thompson and Daryl McCormack, the actor who is part of the cast of "Peaky Blinders".

Emma Thompson and Daryl McCormack, the actor who is part of the cast of “Peaky Blinders”.

We don’t have any fucking pleasure and some of us aren’t even allowed to. And in some parts of the world, what could give us pleasure is cut up and thrown away. So yes, absolutely. And we have learned on screen and in stories that pleasure or sex is something we look at, done for the purpose of seeing that it is arousing, rather than something we feel.

So learning how to have sex when you’re young must be so weird now because can you explore what something feels like, or do you just think about what it looks like? Because that’s what you’ve seen forever. I mean, these are the things that we wanted to explore and the idea that Nancy could really break away from her expectations, and figure out what works for her. And that we could all do that. It’s exciting.

Nancy, her character, "may experience pleasure for herself," Emma told "Clarín."

Nancy, her character, “may experience pleasure for herself,” Emma told “Clarín.”

You know, the end of the movie is the beginning of his life. Perhaps she experiences pleasure for herself, but perhaps if she experiences pleasure with another person, then what will be added may be a kind of emotional attachment. This is not a romance, but it is intimate.

The taboo of female pleasure

Yes, it is very intimate. Do you think that pleasure for women is still a taboo in our society?

-Yes. Yes it is. I was going to say that pleasure is for everyone. But that’s not true. Men have had pleasure, and that has been a driving force. But for me, I think the idea of ​​pleasure for women is still revolutionary.

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“It’s a story about someone who finds something for himself,” says Emma, ​​with the help of another.

-In agreement. Why do you understand that this happens?

-Because we have to keep ourselves down… Because for centuries, very, very influential men like Darwin and Rousseau and philosophers like Schopenhauer and Plato, and all religious and non-religious figures have said that women are not important. They are not good enough. That they are barely human, and actually, in some ways, a little more than children. This is how we were considered in the 18th and 19th centuries. It is very recent that the existence of women as full and participatory human beings materializes. So it’s no wonder that when it comes to women’s pleasure, we’re barely on the radar.

Thompson says that they couldn't improvise: they shot everything in just 19 days.

Thompson says that they couldn’t improvise: they shot everything in just 19 days.

-The film is about personal inhibitions, more than sexual, and about the search for one’s own identity. Do you agree?

-In some respects, yes. I agree with that, because one of the reasons I was drawn to the non-romantic movie is because it’s one thing for Nancy to have an experience with someone and it changes the way she interacts with that person. That’s what we see all the time in movies. It’s romance.

But what happens to Nancy is that she erases some things that she didn’t even think to question. And that means clarifying how she interacts with other people, like the waitress, Becky, and certainly how she cares about herself. So for me, that’s why we didn’t want to do “too much romance.”

The film has "a vision of intimacy that I rarely see," confides the actress.

The film has “a vision of intimacy that I rarely see,” confides the actress.

And the reason the ending happens is that it’s a story about someone who finds something for herself, and there’s another person in front of her who helps her do it, who enables something in her, and vice versa as well. Hmmm… So, yes, yes. That is a good answer.

The film, basically, takes place within four walls.

What else attracted you to the script?

-It was about so many things, that it was so fascinating to me to deal with people who maybe couldn’t be honest with themselves about certain things – and not with other people. And they walk into a room and they don’t know that they don’t know anything about each other. They have assumptions that are swept away very, very quickly by reality. And then they’re in a space that allows them to talk in a way that they’ve never talked to anyone before. And that, to me, is a version of intimacy that I rarely see.

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“Daryl couldn’t have been more perfect for me to be as vulnerable and exposed as I was,” he says of his co-star.

-Were they very respectful of the script, or did they improvise a lot? Because they didn’t have much time to shoot…

-No, we didn’t, I mean, we did some work in the rehearsal room, where we opened the script and they allowed us to explore more. But we were quite attentive to the script in many ways. We had no time to waste time. We had 19 days to shoot this movie. We were doing 12 pages of dialogue a day.

No, it was actually the real demands of making a movie of that length in one room, in that short space of time, which meant that not only did the script have to be as good as it was, but we also had to honor it. We couldn’t have gone off script. It wouldn’t have made sense.

Australian director Sophie Hyde, in full shooting.  The actions always take place between four walls.

Australian director Sophie Hyde, in full shooting. The actions always take place between four walls.

-How was it for you to expose yourself, and show your body in such a profound way?

-Well, it was a great pleasure because of the nature of the team we had. It was a very beautiful team, there was a very friendly and loving atmosphere. We had Sophie (Hyde, the director) to keep us safe, and Daryl couldn’t have been more perfect for me to be as vulnerable and exposed as she was. And also hidden, we somehow take for granted that because he is young and beautiful, it will be easy for him to expose himself.

She starred in "Sense and Sensibility," for which she won the Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay.  Photo File Clarin

She starred in “Sense and Sensibility,” for which she won the Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay. Photo File Clarin

But it isn’t, really. And so we all hugged each other, the three of us in this. It is not something you can do alone. This is a group effort. And even though Daryl and I are on screen, behind the camera there was safety and there was integrity. And there was direction and purpose that we knew we could trust. So if we weren’t sure what we were doing, we knew we’d say does this work?

The calibration, not just in terms of shots and lighting, is an extraordinary achievement to make this so dramatic. Two people in one room, and turn it into a movie. Amazing. But I knew that Sophie would come and say “I think it’s okay, just turn it down a bit”. And she was so specific and she was always right. Always. They usually don’t give you ideas.

-And what are the challenges of filming basically locked in a room?

"We were locked in, there were no distractions at all, doing something about intimacy and connection," the actress confessed.

“We were locked in, there were no distractions at all, doing something about intimacy and connection,” the actress confessed.

-You know that when I read it, I thought “this is very exciting”. I can’t wait to tell something where there’s only two actors and we deal with that and the emotional connection between them, and looking at their bodies and us, I just thought, wow, we don’t have to run around and do all the logistics of the movie! And then when you start filming, you say, wow, this is a challenge.

And we were like, let’s have a neutral set and do it during the day, put the lights on and all this stuff. But these are the great choreographies of the work. It’s like how do we choreograph the emotional landscape? How do we use the camera around the bodies and how do they interact with the camera? How does the light change throughout the work? And so, yes, there are these challenges, but they are the kind of challenges that we thrive on and that we all want to do.

And you expect someone to walk into a movie theater and be looking at the landscape of their bodies and the landscape of their minds. Yes, it was a challenge. He was also very focused. We were locked in, there were no distractions at all. So we were doing something about intimacy and connection and all very, very together. And I think it helped us a lot. (He thinks about it). Yes.

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